the better of them, if you want did slow the growth of medicare it is like throwing granny off the cliff they have to get off this. >>guest: what this is holding everything back, the public relations aspect is hurting the republicans. at this point it seems like they increase a lose lose situation so they should draw a line in the sand somewhere because any are going to be blamed for the outcome no matter what. >> this is not a competition between democrats and republicans. you have to give this or that. there is something here. >> it is a competition of ideology. what is the magic of the top 2 percent or 5.58 joe,"? what is the magic of $250,000? >> there is compromise all over the place. >>neil: guys, i thank you all. now as i try to save the country, we have a democratic congressman who heads the congressional black caucus, and congressman, good to see you, again. here is what worried me, now, you and the organization have said, look, not the time for entitlements, don't talk about raising medicare age, and, i think you closed off a huge bit of spending. that is not progress. >>guest: